Empowering Girls: Princess Culture Examined

Those are all extremely valid points Violet.

It was a movie not a marketing machine, it was a story not an marketed identity.

Also, when we were girls feminism and the idea that we could do something different wasn’t widely accepted, so maybe it wasn’t so damaging. It was still believed to be possible that we could be saved and taken care of.

In today’s world that’s a dangerous message to send to our girls who need to prepare to earn a living and seek financial independence.

Does it take a geek to write a princess story?

To draw princess pictures?

To choreograph a ballroom dance?

The things you mentioned aren’t marketed to or about girls. Disney Princesses are.

Do females read Princess books, coloring books, sticker books, etc by the dozens? Yes.

Do we wear clothing with princess pictures, have brides walk down the aisle imitating and dressed like Cinderella or Belle?

Do we pin up posters and have bedspreads and put the dolls on our cakes? Can you actually buy girl stuff that does NOT have these images on them?

Those are the stories and images marketed to girls.

Are you saying men are better experts – because they are a different kind of geek – at our brand of Disney Magic than we are?

That women aren’t applying for animation jobs? Writing jobs or producing jobs? Cause I don’t believe they aren’t applying.

I am not hailing Disney as being “all that is female.” In fact, I think the version of their femininity is distorted (by male interpretation).

I think they are discriminating against women creative types to be quite frank.

I think the argument that because more men like certain types of animation doesn’t hold true to why Disney is creating films without female’s influence.

I’m sure there are many, many women who have applied and are qualified who have been rejected. Or women who work there who are not being promoted to influential positions.

Tune in to tomorrow’s story as we examine Disney’s New Generation of fairy tale marketed to girls and who they hired to create the magic.

I’ve no problem with Disney as a whole. I have a serious problem with Disney’s depiction of “what women want” because it’s distorted and that effects my daughter.

I also think there is a valid argument that Disney robs Disney itself of the ability to tell better, more well-rounded stories – more Magical – by not including more women in every step of the process.

I hear that same argument about why women aren’t in engineering, computer, math, science and now animation – that we are just not interested. I don’t buy it.

I don’t think it is so much direct discrimination though, as much as young men and women get channeled and encouraged into gender acceptable areas and interests – sometimes without either side realizing it.

But geek girls are on the rise! (Aaron, my favorite graphic novel is Ghost World.)

Look at the credits. Directed. Men. Written. Men. Produced. Men.

“Helped write” does not equality make.

Same story with Enchanted – their newest Princess interpretation. Directed. Men. Written. Men. Produced. Men.

Go to the credits of Disney films and count the numbers of women versus the numbers of men involved.

Visit the Geena Davis Institute for Gender in the Media and educate yourself about it. Then maybe next time you get the opportunity, and I hope you do, you’ll hire the woman so that your mother, sister and wife will have more than a caricature of a token female character to watch in films. They’ve counted the women both on the screen and in the process. The numbers on the screen are 3 males to one female.

You said yourself, male characters can fly and evade bullets – they have POWER. Female characters need saving because they have none.

I want to see a gender shift in the Magical Kingdom – what’s wrong with that?

I just realized the irony of your arguments hahaha your funny I didn’t catch it. You think woman should be empowered to do jobs but that they should be doing the girly stuff. Hahaha thats funny you want them to be stuck with making Unicorns and Fairy Princesses because girls should like those kinds of things. Oh you are to much.

I just don’t see the concreteness to your arguments your stuck in what if space. Disney’s in business to make money plain and simple and they do that with talented people. They don’t do it with people who should be hired just because someone complains that there aren’t enough “insert sterotype” in a position.

Here check out this article http://www.pbs.org/itvs/independentspirits/women.html
Apparently contrary to what you may believe women animators are on the rise. In fact the late Jennifer Davidson was VP of Cartoon Network you can read an article about her here http://animatedfilms.suite101.com/article.cfm/jennifer_davidson_1969_2007

I agree that diversity is an asset to any team but letting someone on a team simply because there different isn’t reason enough. If a woman or a man wants it today they can achieve it if only they try.

Misconception #1 – Geek Culture is encouraged only for men
Geek culture is a “sub-culture”, and are seldom encouraged, whether you are male or female. I can ensure you, being a male, comic books do not score points with the ladies, and parents never tell you to stop playing football in order to come inside to watch Transformers.

Misconception #2 – Creative careers are only encouraged to males
Creative careers are seldom encouraged, whether your are male or female. The pay is not great, and the chances of finding work is slim. The chances are success are even rarer. I can’t tell you how many times adults, teachers and counselors discouraged my interests and told me to concentrate on a “real job”.

Misconception #3 – There are no positive fantasy role models for girls
I laugh at this. I came up with a list, and in a matter of minutes, I had more than I cared to write down. What follows is a partial list of positive genre based female heroes who don’t need large bust sizes and skimpy outfits to save the day.

1.Princess Leia (Star Wars)
She got rescued all right, and then took charge of the escape when Han and Luke failed miserably and ended up saving them. She then strategically led the attack against the Death Star. She also was in command of the Battle of Hoth.

2. Kim Possible (Kim Possible)
I think the fact that her sidekick is named Ron Stoppable explains everything needed to know that Kim Possible is a good role model for girls.

3. Hermione Granger (Harry Potter)
Where would Harry and Ron be without Hermione? Dead.

4. Miss Piggy
She taught us that size does not matter, to accept our bodies for what they are. She also knew karate. If puppets wore pants, I’m sure she was the one who wore them in her relationship with Kermit.

4.Sue Richards/Invisible Woman (Fantastic Four)
An accomplished hero, wife, mother,celebrity and socialite, she also became the leader of the Fantastic Four.

5.Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup (The Powerpuff Girls)
Sugar, spice, everything nice, and Chemical X. They were so cute, even with lifting a bus and throwing it through a building.

6. Female Mutants (The X-Men)
Beginning in the late 80’s, a book named X-Men found that its roster of heroes consisted mainly of “women”. So many female mutant heroes to list – Storm (the leader), Jean Grey (took over leading duties), Rogue, Psylocke, Kitty Pryde, Dazzler, Jubilee, Marrow, Phoenix, etc.

7. Velma (Scooby Doo)
She was the brains behind Mystery, Inc. She was also the original “geek-chic”.

8. Agent Dana Scully (X-Files)
Come on, how many predicaments did Scully save Mulder from? She was the brains, the voice of reason, common sense, an excellent detective, an expert marksman, and a scientist. She also had a baby, and then went back to work for the FBI.

9. Princess Fiona (Shrek)
I seem to remember some major Matrix style action from this princess who didn’t need a hero.

10. Selena Kyle (Cat-Woman)
Not only was she Bat-Man’s equal, she would be insulted if a man even tried to bail her out.

11. Josie, Valerie, and Melody (Josie and the Pussycats)
Face it. Alan was a putz. Josie and the gang solved crime on Earth and in space, but they rocked even harder.

12. Captain Janeway (Star Trek: Voyager).
She was hailed as the female Kirk, without the over-active libido (Kirk was a slut).

13. Dora (Dora the Explorer)
World traveller, sports lover, adventure seeker, animal lover, bi-lingual, multi-cultural, and educator. This little girl makes us all want to become UN Goodwill Ambassadors.

13. Buffy (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Cute, fashionable, smart, and she also was known to literally drive stakes into the hearts of the undead.

14. Ripley (Alien movie series)
She convinced movie audiences that women were in control when she threatened the Queen Alien with the line “Get away from her, you b****!” I seem to remember at that point, all the men were dead. Also all the crew were dead in the first movie, as well as the a good portion of the prisoners in Alien 3. She was so bad ass that she was cloned for further feats of badness in Alien Resurrection.

15. Charlie’s Angels
Do I really need to convince you why this trio is on this list?

I can go on and on. Even the misogynstic horror genre is ripe with female leads that save the day and kill the bad guy. I think there is a lot to celebrate in what is being done right, than criticize what is being done wrong. Also, I would like the mention, that the male counterparts to many of these heroes are bumbling idiots, but you don’t see me complaining 🙂

Committees do not write films. They give their opinion on films. If you include women as the primary writers, producers and directors, the hypothesis is that you’ll get a different kind of film.

I feel for how difficult it is to get into a creative industry Aaron (I’m a creative type myself). But you’re a white male in America. Times the difficulty by two, three or four and then you’ll know how the women in your industry feel.

You shouldn’t defend or justify sexism.

Not to be argumentative, but doesn’t Kim Possible wear a belly shirt? And have a terrible attitude?

Perfect protagonists make for boring stories. Male heroes are not without their vices. Political correctness and “feel good politics” do not make good entertainment, but creates banality.

Lets take the newest hero that will be in theaters this summer, Iron Man. He is a raging alcoholic. I’m not defending this vice, but lets not over analyze the imperfect female heroes and forget that male heroes have their negatives as well.

Han Solo was a criminal who found redemption, but still shot someone in cold blood.

Leia was never in need of rescue anymore than the rest of the cast. Go back and re-watch the original trilogy, everyone was getting captured and rescued, and Leia did her fair share of saving the day.

There seems to be an abundance of those “looking for offense”.

This has been an interesting topic and my husband and I have been discussing it for the last couple of days.

Women are not well represented in Hollywood. Of the 250 top grossing films in 2007, only 6% were directed by women. Women work in animation more than ever before – but it’s still primarily a male field.

These are the people who are forming the creative ideas that our culture and our children will later be bombarded with. I don’t think it’s asking too much to have our gender involved in those creative decisions.

Aaron is right, focus groups shape the majority of movies out there. One problem is that women and girls will get into male focused movies, but men and boys are less likely to watch female centered movies.

Support indie movies and movies directed by women if you want more of that. Like I mentioned in a previous post, Disney changed the genre with Mulan and it failed. Where were you and others like you when it came time to support the shift?

In the end, consumers are the ones who decide what is supported and what isn’t. Which is why I think it’s great, Tracee, that you back up your feelings on this by not buying princess products.

I think some of the female characters Aaron listed are positive, but others, not so much (Miss Piggy? Oh Aaron) and many play into feminine stereotypes that some of us would like to see less of. Show me a comic heroine ala X-men style with a normal woman’s body. They are also often the token female ala Smurfette.

My husband agreed that geek culture is just less appealing to women. He used to work at an ad company where the owner ran a little indie animation studio on the side, and it was all shy, quiet (weird) men who ate, slept and drank anime. They wanted women animators on the team, but there was NO female interest EVER (although they finally got a female intern.)

I guess no one read the article about female animators I’ll post the link again http://www.pbs.org/itvs/independentspirits/women.html.

In this article it basically debunks your whole idea that having women in the industry would change things because get this woman have and always have been in the industry. Your only complaint seems to be that there isn’t a studio that is entirely made up of women from the grunt animator up. How would this bring any different creativeness to a media have you seen Oxygen have you seen Life Time? When you have a media focused on doing nothing but pleasing one sex you alienate half the population. Which is why your whole purpose of having this group of imaginary women interested in animation ruling a studio does work.

Violet:
Re:Show me a comic heroine ala X-men style with a normal woman’s body.

Show me a man’s body, too. Dear lord, I would even kill for Nightcrawler’s physique compared to my doughy white self 🙂

Better yet, look at this picture of Captain America. No man could ever compare in real life! 🙂

“Women pursuing careers in the field seem more interested than men in animation as an art form,” writes Linda Simensky, the Cartoon Network’s vice president of original animation. “Thus, it is not surprising that the area of independent filmmaking seems to have more women than men; after all, it is an area of animation which has more room for self-expression and no real traditional hierarchy in which to fit.”

This is from the link Cale provided. Thanks Cale.

It appears to directly contradict the theory that women aren’t interested in animation.

Re: Cartoon Network quote –

Self expression, experimental, art, existintial awakenings, and human psyche films are predominant themes in “indie filmmaking”, NOT “mainstream” though.

What that quote means is that women tend to want to make these films more than big mainstream films. These films just aren’t popular, they don’t resonate with most people.

Now pause, that is not a sexist comment. Read on.

This has nothing to do with the sexes, because men make these films too, facing similar hurdles in raising capital and finding a distributor. They just aren’t popular with American audiences. Worldwide gross is what we aim for, because marketing arthouse flicks is a lot easier to sell to European audiences than those in say, Ohio.

Trust me, indie filmmaking is my bread and butter. But a small quirky film like Darjeeling Limited can’t compete with the latest Sandra Bullock predictable epic or large robots destroying each other on screen. When it comes to film, I’m a snob, and I would rather see more independent and foreign films than major blockbusters. However, get this, mainstream female audiences snub indies just as much as “Joe Six Pack”.

I’m not going to pretend that males don’t have an advantage over women in Hollywood, but there are a lot of misconceptions about the sexes and how this interplays with not only entertainment, but storytelling, careers, marketing, and merchandise.

Re:How do you think we can most effectively get women’s stories told and heard in film?

Make your own film outside of the studio system. Unless you are Spielberg and you have the pull, studios tend to want “yes-men”, not artists that have a burning desire to pour their heart on the screen.

Step one. Write your story (google screenwriting, this is a whole other enchilada).

Step two. Find people who share your artisitic vision and will work for free (or at best, “points”, points being profit they can share if your film gets sold.

Step three. Find money. Easier said than done. Read “Rebel Without a Crew” written by Robert Rodriguez.

Step four. Make your movie.

Step five. Find a distributor, get it sold, convince someone with your movie that you are “bankable”. Once you “are in”, you have a better chance of finding better work. Your first film is your resume.

It’s not easy, and the chances of failure are great. Nothing risked, nothing gained.

Men and women who want to be filmmakers know this.

It was refreshing to read these comments here! I always felt very much the same about these princesses…Teenage marriage? Giving up royal power and immortality to marry some dope who can’t even remember your face? What was that mermaid thinking?
A princess you might enjoy and approve of is the “Paper Bag Princess”, a charming and slightly cookie childrens book in which the princess heads out to rescue her prince from a dragon (after it ate her entire family) but then decides he really isn’t worth the trouble and goes off to lead her own life.

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